I have been following this debate for some time now. People often call me such things as a big fat liar while discussing important issues. Whenever this sort of thing happens to me I know I have won the debate. B. Diamond wrote: > For those interested in finding out more (no pun intended!) about Patrick Moore > and his timber-industry financed "astroturf" organization (an industry front-group > that portrays itself as a grassroots environmental organization in order to mask > the agenda of its industry sponsors) Greenspirit, I highly recommend that you > visit the following websites: > > http://www.fanweb.org/patrick-moore/bio.html > > http://www.fanweb.org/patrick-moore/lies.html > > http://www.fanweb.org/patrick-moore/quotes.html > > Then, go visit the Greenspirit Webpage, and see the rhetoric for yourself! > > http://www.greenspirit.com/ > > The Editor wrote: > > > Patrick Moore wrote: > > > > > > The issue of soil loss by landslides is important, but in British > > > Columbia this is a minuscule amount of the total area. Yes, even small > > > landslides can cause negative impacts on salmon streams and should be > > > avoided. But it is also very clear that overfishing, hydro-electric dams, > > > agriculture, and urbanization, are far more destructive of salmon than > > > logging, the effects of which are temporary as the impact of soil erosion is > > > easily healed in time. > > > > Patrick, this is the typical corporate public relations spin to divert > > attention away from the problems. Unless you are travelling around this > > province with your eyes closed you know as well as I do that there are a > > good number of pretty gross landslides around here as a result of piss > > poor logging practices. They might be miniscule to you, but they have > > caused major havoc with watersheds and fish habitat, among other things. > > > > > > > > Patrick Moore wrote: > > > > > > Immoral is a big word to apply to the obtaining of wood by hard work. I > > > would think twice about characterizing the people who do this work for all > > > the rest of us as "immoral". > > > > Well, Patrick, I am not apply the word immoral to the obtaining of wood > > by hard work, nor am I characterizing forestry workers as "immoral." In > > fact Patrick, I know a lot of people in the woods who are disgusted with > > some of the ways that they have to do things, but then families need to > > eat, so they keep working and hope for changes. What is immoral is the > > policies and senior corporate officials who allow this kind of shoddy > > forestry to happen in the first place. What is immoral is allowing > > economic factors to overrule good biology. What is immoral is hiring > > spin doctors and forming phoney citizens groups to change perceptions > > rather than taking steps to correct the problem. > >
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