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Reply to B. Diamond



(I'm advised this didn't go through the first time I sent it)

On Sunday, May 04, 1997 11:21 AM B. Diamond wrote:

>While you may
> boastfully suggest that there is no evidence of a single species going
extinct due to
> logging, I'm not aware of a single species that has gone extinct only to
be
> "ressurected" by the wonders of modern science.  The fact is that there
are
> numerous species on the brink of extinction due to logging.

I am not boasting, merely stating a fact. WWF, Greenpeace and others make
the totally false claim that logging is the main cause of species
extinction worldwide. Many species are known to have become extinct from
deforestation for farming and cities, eradication, over-hunting, and
introduced species of diseases and predators. I don't know of a single one
whose extinction can be attributed to logging. Do you? As for "the brink of
extinction" you are so deeply hopeless I'm afraid there is no hope for your
hope. Perhaps you should learn about the Vancouver Island Marmot which is
truly on the brink of extinction, unlike the spotted owl, marbled murrelet,
Bulltrout? etc. This species can be found at
http://www.islandnet.com/~marmot/
I am not saying that logging could never cause species extinction, just
that as far as we know it hasn't and that even if it has caused the
extinction of unknown species it is not a major cause of extinction
compared to the known causes, most of which have to do with cities and
farms and hunting and fishing, not forestry.

>tried to suppress the
> ten-year, comprehensive, federally-funded Interior Columbia Basin
Ecosystem
> Management Project (ICBEMP) because is paints a very unfavorable picture
of
> the current state of the basin after 100 years of intensive logging,
mining, and
> grazing activities.

I think perhaps you should have mentioned hydro dams if you are going to
characterize the environmental impacts in the Columbia Basin.

> Fact #1.  The harvest level on the federal forest last year was
> almost SIX BILLION BF!!!  There was 3.9 billion in salvage, and another
1.9 billion
> in the ASQ.  Please enlighten us as to what "scientific" source you
gathered your
> data from.

You demonstrate an undeserved self-righteousness in your tone. I was
talking about NATIONAL FORESTS IN THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST, not the entire
federal lands of the USA. Go check the numbers for yourself.

> What an honor that the USFS has built more miles of road than any other
entity in
> the world!!!

If you had ever built anything you might have a different attitude towards
people who do build things. I have lots of criticisms of the way in which
the Forest Service is structured etc. but surely you must accept the fact
that roads are necessary to do any kind of forestry.

In conclusion, Mr.? Diamond, you should either face up to the fact that you
need wood every day or you would die or you should tell us how you are
going to survive without it.
Cheers




Patrick Moore, Greenspirit
4068 West 32nd Avenue
Vancouver, BC, CANADA
V6S 1Z6
e-mail pmoore@mail.bc.rogers.wave.ca
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604-221-1990 fax
May the Forest be With You
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