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Re: To burn or not to burn



> Received: by tao.sosc.osshe.edu; id AA26299; Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:27:34 -0700
> From: Bret Diamond <diam9018>
> Message-Id: <9609051627.AA26299@tao.sosc.osshe.edu>
> Subject: Re: Who is going to pay for the "To burn or not to burn?"
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> Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
> In-Reply-To: <322D1F52.7985@forestnet.com> from "Martin J. Desmond" at Sep 4, 96 02:18:58 pm
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> On 9/4/96 Martin Desmond writes:
>
>
> > I believe that there are two primary reasons why these fires are burning
> > so many acres.  First, seven decades of fuel loading on these lands.
> > Second, the Forest Service and BLM have been downsized in personnel and
> > no longer have adequate resources to fight fire dangers that are much
> > greater than 20 years ago.
>
> While I certainly agree with your first point, the irony of your second
> point is the root of the problem.  For seventy years the FS and BLM have
> largely ignored the fuel loading problem, even with large staffs and
> budgets, because their primary focus was timber extraction not forest
> health.  The timber industry has been extracting the profits from our
> national forests for over 50 years, while earning themselves 100's of
> billions of dollars in profit.  Now that our forests are facing iminant
> fire danger, the industry can't be bothered cleaning up its mess unless
> valuable old-grwoth timber sweetens the salvage sales.  Why should the
> taxpayers have to foot the bill for roadbuilding, fire supression,
> replanting etc. when the industry walks away with the profits?
>
> >
> > The big question, as addressed by Andrew Gray, is who is going to pay
> > for the fuel reduction costs.  Although I want to sound pessimistic, I
> > don't think that there will ever be a program to reduce fuels.
> > Environmental groups will object to any type of fuel reduction program
> > as simply an attempt to log trees.  Instead, we will simply spend
> > hundreds of millions of dollars every couple of years fighting fires on
> > public forests that will no longer be generating any timber sale
> > income.
>
> Environmental groups are objecting to the suspension of the law in order
> to financially benefit timber interests ala salvage rider.  The is
> cerntainly sufficient language in fedral forest policy (FLPMA, NEPA,
> NFMA, etc) to allow for real salvage logging.  But the true salvage sales
> (dead and really dyding timber--not just old-growth that isn't adding
> biomass) receive no bids--only sales that include mostly healthy
> old-growth timber receive bids becuase they are the only salvage sales
> that are profitable.  During the drastic over-cutting of the 80's, the
> industry couldn't be bothered with salvage sales, now the hide behind
> forest health in an effort to keep profits levels up.  While there may in
> fact be some environmental groups that will always oppose any further
> logging on national forests, most of us remain committed to ensuring that
> repsonsible, sustainable logging practices be implemented on our naitonal
> forests, and cerntainly only logging that complies with existing law
> should fit those criteria.  If you can't log within the confines of the
> law then don't log at all.
>
> Bret Diamond
> Oregon, USA
>




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