Dear Bret, On Fri, 1 Dec 1995, Bret Diamond wrote: > On 12/1/95, Nelson Wong writes: > > > The question here is not whether old-growth forests are a renewable > > resource but whether timber by itself is a renewable resource. Secondly, if > > While I can appreciate the fact that this may not be an issue for you, it > is most certainly an issue for many of us here in the states, and is > certainly an issue for me personally when a mere 50 miles from my house > healthy, green, 600 and 700 year old trees are being cut under the > auspices of "forest health" by reducing fire risk. Now I admit that I'm > not a forester, but I do know that when a fire burns through a forest, it > is usually the smaller trees and the underbrush that burn, not the big > trees with 10-14" cambiums. The reason these healthy old giants are > falling is because they're valuable, not because Boise Cascade et al. are > concerned about "forest health." Most people I know (including myself as > I'm a carpenter when I'm not in school) firmly beleive is sustainable > wood products. What is a constant rallying point for us "eco-terrorists" > is the destruction of the last 5% or so of our native forests *that are > on public lands* Why the industry doesn't realize this, and back off, > I'll never understand. I guess it's called greed. > I don't think names-calling will help this discussion very much. Stick to the subject matter at hand. And I don't care what you call yourself, eco-terrorist or otherwise. If you want to conduct a meaningful discussion, and using this list as a forum. I am willing to listen. Another thing, is that there is no mention of the party/parties cutting down these trees. Is it city hall or the forest department ? Or is it a logging company ? I am not an American, I don't know who or what is Boise Cascade et al. Moreover, the world is not divided into, one, trees lovers, and two, trees haters. > > step further, what about plastics eg. PVCs for that matter. Are metals > > and plastics bio-degradeble ? Are they environmental friendly ? Are metal > > ores renewable and sustainable ? If not, which would one prefers to use ? > > Metals and plastics, or, timber ? Answers please. > > No, most metals and plastics can be recycled and thus reused. Does the > timber industry make any effort to recycle wood products (other than > paper)? Yes, the same question applies to metals and plastics. How much of it is recycled ? It would be helpful if someone on the list could provide some statistics concerning this question of recycling. > As a contracter, it is very frustrating to fill a 20 yd dumpster > with perfectly good 2x4's etc. that can't be reused ala building codes > that don't permit it. Building Codes are created to protect lives and to maintain a professional level of construction engineering. They were never created to make anyone 'feel good'. Waste is not confined to timbers alone. > The industry has consistatly fought efforts to rewrite the building > codes to allow for the use of "used lumber." > Is this true ? Can anyone please verify this statement ? > After all, they only profit on virgin materials. > Do Mid-Density Fibre Boards, Cement Bonded Particle Boards, Wood Wool Cement Boards, etc. exist in USA ? Answers please. > Bret Diamond > diam9018@tao.sosc.osshe.edu > Oregon, USA > With best regards. Nelson Wong Malaysian Timber Council
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