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Re: Sustainable Forest Management Roundtables



On 11/30/95, Richard Vlosky responds to my post:

> > Well, no wonder our forests are so screwed-up.  Is this really what
> > they're teaching in forestry school these days, that "the primary reason
> > to sustainably manage forests is to produce forest products?"
>
> NO, OF COURSE NOT. I AM REFERRING TO THE NEED TO MANAGE FORESTS WITH A A
> HOLISTIC PERSPECTIVE THAT INCLUDES MARKET AND ECONOMIC FORCES. I AM A
> STRONG PROPONENT OF MANAGING FOR BIODIVERSITY, SO LETS GET THIS POINT
> STRAIGHT. I JUST WAS TRYING TO MAKE THE POINT THAT WOOD PRODUCTS ARE SUCH
> AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR LIVES AND THAT TO MANAGE SUSTAINABLY NEEDS TO
> TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT.

Do you believe that A) current management practices are sustainable, and
B) that we can maintain a sustainable level of harvest if we continue to
export 50% of the PNW cut, and C) that over-cutting has not so damaged
our supply that a refractory period would not be in order, and D) do you
believe that old-growth forests are a renewable resource?

>  And all the
> > Assistant Professor of Forestry at Louisiana State University can do is
> > criticize him for failing to acknowledge that the production of lumber is
> > the primary goal of forestry.
>
> I DID NOT CRITICIZE (AS YOU ARE SO CLEARLY ARE DOING), BUT RATHER ONLY
> OFFERED AN OPINION. AFTER ALL, HE DID ASK. AS AN OLD EMPLOYER ONCE SAID
> TO ME, IF YOU DO NOT WANT A RESPONSE, DO NOT ASK THE QUESTION.

I stand corrected, he did ask for input, this was not something you took
upon yourself to admonish him for.
>
>  Do forestry schools not even bother to at
> > least pay lip-service to the notion of biodiversity anymore?
>
> I HOPE NOT.

Could you elaborate on this?

>   What you
> > describe Richard, is a tree farm, not a forest.
>
> NOT COMPLETELY ACCURATE. ALTHOUGH TREE FARMS ARE AN IMPORTANT PROVIDER OF
> TIMBER FOR FOREST PRODUCTS, STATE, FEDERAL AND PRIVATE NON-TREE FARM LAND
> BASES ARE ALSO SOURCES OF WOOD AND WOOD PRODUCTS.

These forests are also home to thousands of plant and animal species,
provide us with the air we breath, and, most importantly, managed to
survive for thousands of years without our "management."> >

>   If the fate of our
> > forests, (federal and private) rests in the hands of students who will be
> > educated by the likes of you, and any of your collegues who hold a
> > similar contempt for the natural world and a complete lack of respect for
> > our place in it, then I pity us all.
> >
>
> OH, PLEASE. ...BY THE LIKES OF ME, EH? IF YOU KNEW ME, YOU WOULD KNOW
> THAT THIS STATEMENT IS, TO USE KIND INTERNET LANGUAGE, UNTRUE.

Again, I stand corrected.  I do not know you, only your words.  I
apologize if my post was perceived as a personal attack, it was not
intended to be.
>
> I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED TO CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION ON A RATIONAL LEVEL.

I think we could all benefit this suggestion.

Bret Diamond
Oregon, USA
diam9018@tao.sosc.osshe.edu



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