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SUMMARY: logging, wet ground, Lake States




I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my request for information
regarding wet ground logging systems in the lake states.  

The original query was suggestions for summer logging of balsam and spruce
in the upper Great Lakes.  A summary of the information I've received
follows.

Apologies to the respondents for my summaries of their comments. 

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1. Low Ground Pressure/Wide Tire Skidding Equipment
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A couple of people suggested wide tire skidders.  Some of the current
mill suppliers have already begun taking this approach here.  I think 
it holds further promise.

Margaret Penner <marg@pnfi.forestry.ca> related her experience in a study 
  of wide tired skidding in black spruce stands on clay soils in Ontario 
  that found growth and yield to be similar to that of stands horse logged
  in the 40's, an improvement over the use of standard tired skidders as 
  used in the 60's and early 70's. She also pointed out the following reports:

  Groot, A. 1987.  Silvicultural consequences of forest
   harvesting on peatlands: site damade and slash
   conditions.  Canadian Forest Service. Inf Rep.
   O-X-384.

  Heikurinen, J.K.K. 1981. Current management practices
   in the boreal mixedwood forest: northeastern region.
   Pp 184-192 in Boreal Mixedwood Symposium, Can. For. 
   Serv. Inf. Rep. 0-P-9


Mathew F Smidt <smidt001@maroon.tc.umn.edu>  provides a lot of good
  information in relating his experience during a two year study of the 
  effect of high flotation skidders on aspen regeneration on sites in east 
  central Minnesota.

  - "harvesting was late spring and summer...soils...were sandy loam so water
    holding capacity was limited and they dried out quickly once the trees
    flushed in June".
  - no difficulty with excessive disturbance due to skidding or felling with
    surface soil moistures of 30 to 40%.
  - Comparable productivity to conventional skidding
  - "Soil disturbance using a combination of high flotation and designated 
    skid trail will probably be within acceptable levels at soil moisture 
    levels higher than 30 %.  One site with an organic surface horizon and
    70% soil moisture had less then 5 % of the area in ruts (2 in or deeper)
    using the combination of high flotation and designated trails".
  - "The trend in Minnesota has been to equip + 150 HP skidders with High
    flotation tires.  With moderately high inflation pressures the tires
    increase the load capability of the machines and ground pressures maybe
    similar to smaller machines with conventional tires.  The upside is that
    traction from this combination is dramatically increased.  Soil compaction
    is driven to some extent by slippage rather than ground pressure". 
  - "Environmentally speaking it is probably more advantageous to equip the
    smaller skidders (<130 HP) with HF tires for collecting bunches across 
    the site and  using larger machines (with > load and > speed) to 
    transport the wood via designated trails to the landing".
 
  He also points out (quite correctly in my opinion) that the ability to
  skid wood from these sites at this time of the year usually isn't as 
  limiting as is the problem of hauling wood over often substandard road
  systems.  He suggests a need for more prehauler capacity. 


Jim Shepard <NCASI@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> points to Bryce Stokes at the 
  Auburn Forest Service lab as someone who has done quite a  bit of
  research into wetland/wet weather logging (tire size, configurations, 
  productivity and soil damage).   They've also looked into forwarders, 
  helicopters, cable systems, etc.  Their research has been geared 
  primarily toward logging in southern swamps.

    Dr. Bryce J. Stokes
    U. S. Forest Service
    Devall Street
    Auburn University
    Auburn, AL 36849
    (205) 826-8700


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2.  Cable Systems
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Several people suggested looking at cable logging systems on flat ground.

Francis Greulich <greulich@u.washington.edu> Pointed to the use of cable
  systems under similar conditions in the PNW.  He felt high-flotation 
  vehicles tended to be more expensive and prone to damaging sensitive
  soils.  He suggested taking a closer look at "small to medium sized 
  cable yarder with a mobile tailhold rigged in a running skyline 
  configuration".  He also pointed out the availablility of software for
  cable system feasiblity and productivity analysis.


Trevor Stone <stonet@ucs.orst.edu> pointed to Dr. Loren Kellog of Oregon 
  State as currently conducting research into, and willing to discuss, 
  cable logging systems on flat ground ("small tractor-mounted yarders 
  with multispan capability").  He also offered a copy of a study conducted
  in Zululand, South Africa entitled "The Application of a Skyline Yarding 
  Technique in the Harvesting of Ecologically Sensistive Flat Terrain Sites"
  by D.L. Howe (currently unpublished). 


Jim Mattson <fswa/S=J.MATTSON/OU1=S23L04A@mhs.attmail.com>  The USFS 
  Forestry Sciences Lab in Houghton, Michigan is currently conducting
  research in cable systems for wet and steep situations in the Lake States.  
  They hope to have a demonstration operation going in Eastern Minnesota 
  later this year.  Jim Mattson or John Sturos at (906) 482-6303.


I <ktw@solaria.sol.net> flipped through a few issues of the trade magazine 
  _Forest Products and Equipment_ and found Christy Mfg, Inc of Orofino, 
  Idaho.  They appear to offer a relatively small mobile yarding system 
  with 1400' of mainline.  I contacted several colleagues in the Idaho 
  Panhandle and got a good report on the system ("reliable").  I have 
  requested more information from the company.  

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3. Other suggestions
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 Scandanavia
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Jeff Prestemon <prestemo@calshp.cals.wisc.edu> suggests looking into the
  methods used in Sweden/Finland as in his experience with the Swedish
  Forest Service he observed they were harvesting a substantially similar
  timber types under the same conditions.  He also suggested playing with the
  species mix in order to overcome fiber quality problems at the mill.


Olli Eeronheimo <olli.eeronheimo@metla.fi>  offered a report he did in 1991
  that summarizes the Finnish experince in wet ground logging.  "It was 
  written in Finnish, but has an English summary and bilingual tables and 
  figures".

    Eeronheimo, O. 1991. Suometsien puunkorjuu. Summary: Forest 
    harvesting on peatlands.  Folia Forestalia 779. Finnish Forest
    Research Institute. 29 p.


 Wood Tech Suggestions
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Ted Bilek <FORE069@csc.canterbury.ac.nz> suggested looking into methods of
  enhanced woodyard storage techiques to overcome the fiber quality problems
  with stockpiled wood (i.e. sprinklers to prevent sapstain in pine sawlogs).

 Misc Suggestions
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Brian D. Glodowski <brian@cody.sol.net>  says he's had some success 
  using geotextile mats to enhance the ability of haul roads to handle
  heavy traffic.  He points out that one of the keys to an even flow of 
  wood products is to be planning at least 18 months in advance and having 
  roadwork completed a year in advance of logging activity.  


Charlie Blinn <cblinn@mercury.forestry.Umn.EDU>  indicates that he serves
 on a harvesting technology committee (at the University of Minnesota?) 
 that has also been looking into wet ground harvest solutions and would be 
 interested in sharing information on the subject.


 Net Resources
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I <ktw@solaria.sol.net> took a look via gopher at metal.fi (the Finnish  
  Forest Research Site) and the UofMinnesota Forestry Gopher and came up 
  empty on information pertaining to harvesting wet sites.

  I also dropped by the US Forest Service document catalog via MERVYN 
  (FS INFO database).  I appreciate the resource but I have a difficult
  time using it with packet switching layered on top of telnet.  I wasn't
  able to come up with any useful references on the topic in a rather 
  limited amount of search time.
 
-- 
K.T. Wieringa          ktw@solaria.sol.net          
Ironwood, MI





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